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Frequently Asked
Questions Regarding
the Updated
1/3/06 The following is a collection of questions regarding
the current building project that will move Valley Shepherd to its property
south of This document will be updated from time to time. |
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Why did the
building committee recommend to the church board and congregation to sell 12
acres of the approximately 32.4 acres at After extensive discussions between the architect and building committee members it was determined that 20 acres would be adequate for a congregation of 1200. Also, the board, church leadership, and building committee feel that it would be more effective to start a “daughter church” as opposed to enlarging Valley Shepherd to a mega church. With the recent changes in the size of the church it has become necessary to use the excess land (12 acres) to provide funds necessary to begin construction in June. This will also reduce the amount of indebtedness the church will be burdened with. |
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Why can’t we wait
and sell the 12 acres at a time when values might be higher? The need for funds is immediate. The bulk of the cost for the project must be in the bank before we break ground this spring. We have 24 months (starting February 2006) to finish the project. After that our lease on the current facility will run out and we will have to find another location for our congregation to meet while we wait. With faith, the building committee, church board, and leadership feels that the Lord is providing our needs any many ways…that includes unused land. |
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How much of the
property will be occupied in the planned project at The building plan presented to the congregation on The building plan showing expanded sanctuary, gymnasium, classrooms and additional parking will cover 7.4 acres. That is a little more than 3 regulation slow pitch softball diamonds. Or, almost equal to three city blocks the size of the one our church is currently located on. The entire area currently projected for use (including the portion of grass and trees in the northeast corner) will cover 9.7 acres. |
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How much church
property will be left unclaimed by the current project? There will be slightly more than 10 acres left undeveloped after the sale of the 12 acres on the west end of the church property. This acreage will create concerns as it is expensive to cover this with grass and maintain the grounds. |
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Is there going to
be a road on the north side of the new church as shown in the drawings on At the present time this is a very complex issue. The architect included a road and access on the north in
the drawings at the request of the city.
Enough room for a road and proper right-away was needed for possible development
of homes west of the church property to access The building committee would like to see an access on the north but Idaho Transportation Department will not grant it solely for church use. If it is connected to sub divisions west of us then it could become an access we could use. |
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How long will it
take for the new church to be built? The official ground breaking has been set for |
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Where will church
services be held after the building is sold and before the new facility is
built? The sale of the current facility will be finalized |
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How much area will
the new church cover? A regulation slow pitch softball field will cover approximately 2.3 acres 300 feet by 330 feet) |
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What happens to the
The Compassionate Ministries Center ( |
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How will the plan
keep us a community church? Valley Shepherd has reached out to the community as The church board and building committee have felt that it
is important to offer the community a strong worship-centered church as a
foundation for growth. From that
foundation the committee feels the Lord will honor our outreach. A review of recent literature on church growth
indicates that too many churches have lost their purpose in their focus on
programs that attract a mobile congregation which changes as programs come
and go. Sadly, little true church growth has occurred in |
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Will we contract
the labor for the whole building project or do some ourselves
and/or use volunteer groups like MMAP? There will no doubt be opportunities for volunteer work on the new church. However, in the interest of time and administrative issues surrounding coordination of volunteer forces, the contractor will be responsible for contracting the majority of the labor. |
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Will the new building have a full kitchen and fellowship hall? A commercial kitchen was in the first church plans and at present continues to be part of the plan for the new church. Wednesday night meals and church potlucks are too important to the church to not have a full kitchen and fellowship hall. |
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Will the new church
be a worship center where we can use our lighted crosses and
windows? The building committee is making plans to include the stained glass crosses which are currently behind the pulpit in the current sanctuary along with at least the theme portions of all the memorial windows in the foyer. |
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How big a building
is being planned for the first phase? The building being planned for the first phase is approximately 45,000 square feet. |
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Who is purchasing the current church property? David Buich (M & H LLC) is purchasing the property. |
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How much will the new church cost? Initial cost estimates were $5,000,000. After the All-Church Meeting ( |
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If $6.5 million is
for “Phase I” what does that include?
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What is the estimated loan balance for the new building? Is it reasonable to expect that a new building will be completed in 18 months? Estimated loan balance will be $1,800,000. From the date of closing ( |
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Is the lease
payment an average payment? High? Or Low? The lease payment is average and will approximate $7,600 per month. |
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At what point would
the rent/lease payments start? The lease back payments would start in February 2006. |
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What approximately
will be our monthly loan payment on Phase One? Initial cost estimates are $6,500,000. Our estimated monthly payment on a $1,800,000 loan is $15,000 per month. |
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From which budget would the monthly lease payment come? Will current monthly tithes and offering cover the monthly loan payments that Dean Oberst mentioned? Our preference is to make the lease payment out of tithes and offerings. Currently tithes and offerings are not adequate to cover the lease payment, but offerings are increasing. |
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Go through the financial plan: The total cost of the project is estimated at $6,500,000. Current pledges and sale of assets are expected to generate funds of $4,400,000 to $4,800,000 dependent upon the revenues generated from the sale of the excess 12 acres. This would leave us with an estimated loan amount of $1,800,000 to cover the shortfall. |
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Will you please
choose an architect who has knowledge of acoustics? Good acoustics has
been expressed as a priority. Part of the
architect’s contracted service is to bring in an acoustic engineer to develop
the floor plan, section profiles, and materials selection to enhance
acoustics. The sanctuary will be designed to be acoustically “tunable” – able
to be adjusted for different types of music performances. |
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Are we going to
keep our current name or will that change, too? The name Valley Shepherd is the name of our incorporation
and there is no plan to change it.
Since the name change about 30 years ago the church has always tried
to identify itself more with the |
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What were the
downfalls to moving to an existing building closer to the Availability of acceptable buildings with adequate space was one problem. The committee did look at a rather large commercial facility just off the interstate known by many as JaBil. But, there were a number of drawbacks. For one, it would have been very expensive to remodel the building to make it a church. A second concern was the huge expanse (7 acres) of the building and what to do with the portion not used by the church. It would have required that the largest portion of it be leased to someone thus forcing the church to become a landlord. This would help make the payment on a 32 million dollar mortgage, but what would the congregation do to make payments when no lessee could be found? This was not a problem with which the building committee wanted to burden future congregations. |
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What happens to the
houses on the The mobile home will be removed. The frame house could be maintained for compassionate ministries, but a decision has not been finalized. One issue the building committee is faced with is trying to avoid moving as much earth as possible to establish a pad for the new building(s). Moving dirt is expensive so we will take up as much flat ground (the ground the houses are on) as possible for the building pad. |
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What type of
structure are we looking at for the new property? (i.e.
Sprung, brick, etc.) The Building Committee and church leadership are planning to build a church that draws one to worship. Now that an architect has been chosen, the committee and architect can begin to formulate a plan that meets Valley Shepherd’s needs. |
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Will my building
pledge be used for anything other than the new building? All monies that have been collected in the past (going
back to the Christ for the Valley Campaign) have been dedicated to the new facility
to be located at |
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Can we build a
tiered parking structure on the site? While a tiered parking facility would be a good use of
space, the liability insurance for such a structure is very prohibitive for a
church. The cost of such a structure
is out of our budget as well - $10,000 per stall is a good starting point for
unadorned parking garages. |
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Do we have
volunteer professional builder groups like those that were so much involved
in the building of the Not
at this point. |
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Is a new sanctuary cost
effective since it is used only a few hours per week? Isn’t a multi-purpose
(approach) more useful and cost effective?
The number of hours that the sanctuary is used in a week is limited more by programs and flexibility of the facility than anything. The church board has decided that there is a need to present a foundation of strong pulpit ministry and music in a facility that speaks of worship to a community where many worship facilities do not. |
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Will the new church
have a real sanctuary like this one? Or a gymnasium type? The new church will have a sanctuary. A multi-purpose gymnasium is a key component of our Master Plan and is scheduled as the second Building Phase. |
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What would be the cost
of selling the current church building? The realtor is tithing one half his commission ($23,400) back to Valley Shepherd. |
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Does this sale of
the church on Yes. The sale of
the current property includes all of the buildings and land we own except the
parsonage. The current property
includes: the church building, youth center; Hepper
home, parking lot across Pine from the church, parking areas between the
Sunrise Café and the Youth Center North to the alley, parking areas across
from the city hall and west of the |